I signed up, feels like this is something that should've existed long ago.
Your privacy policy isn't good for a privacy focused provider though. You shouldn't have the rights to use my personal information. The use of Google Tag Manager also not inspire confidence, especially in LLM pages where you might "accidentally" install a user monitoring script and the prompts get logged. I'd suggest looking at how Kagi do the marketing to privacy-conscious customers.
reissbaker 1 hours ago [-]
This is good feedback thank you. We use Google only to track ad conversions, and use a cookie page to prevent them from even running until people give consent on the cookie form, but I agree it's not ideal and I've kind of hated having it. I'll see what I can do about the privacy policy — thank you for the reference to Kagi!
cofob_ 14 hours ago [-]
Cool!
How are messages counted? For example, in Cursor, one request is 25 tool calls. Does 100 messages in a subscription here mean 100 tool calls or 100 requests each with 25 tool calls?
When it comes to privacy, there are also some questions. It says that requests can only be used for debugging purposes, but it later mentions a license for using the requests to improve the platform, which can mean that you can use it not only for debugging purposes.
reissbaker 1 hours ago [-]
Oh to be clear, the API prompts/completions can't be stored longer than 14 days or used for anything other than debugging — the data retention section takes priority over everything else. I believe the other requests mentioned refer to general web traffic requests and web UI data. Thank you for the great question!
For requests, it depends on the agent framework to a certain extent. We just count API requests. For frameworks that support parallel tool calls, assuming they're using the standard OpenAI parallel tool call API, the entire parallel batch only counts as one request — since it only generated a single API request, and we just count API requests. I don't know exactly how Cursor structures it but I'd be surprised if they were making 100 API requests per message — I assume they're using the normal parallel tool call API to send all tools in a single batch, which equates to only taking 1 request of your quota in the rate limit.
jml78 10 hours ago [-]
I currently use Cerebras for qwen3. One of the things I like is its speed(the TPM limit is rough). I am curious, how fast is qwen3 on your platform and what quantization are you running for your models?
reissbaker 1 hours ago [-]
I'm on plane wifi right now but I'll benchmark later today — when I benchmarked GLM-4.5, I could get 150-200tps in the Bay Area, California. Qwen3 is probably somewhat lower TBH. We have an open-source coding agent that includes a TPS benchmarker that works with any OpenAI compatible API, including ours: https://github.com/synthetic-lab/octofriend
To run the TPS benchmark, just run:
octo bench tps
All it does is ask the model to write a long story without making tool calls (although we do send the tool definitions over, to accurately benchmark differences in tool call serialization/parsing). It usually consumes a little over 1k tokens so it's fairly cheap to run against different usage-based APIs (and only consumes a single request for subscription APIs that rate limit by request).
Edit: forgot to add — for Qwen3 everything should be running in FP8.
rationably 20 hours ago [-]
Do you plan to offer a high-quality FIM models in the bundle? Would be handy to perform autocompletion locally, say via the Qwen3-coder.
reissbaker 20 hours ago [-]
Interesting! Very open to the idea. What open-source fill-in-the-middle models are good right now? I've stayed on top of the open source primary coding LLMs, but haven't been following along for the open-source FIM ones.
logicprog 1 days ago [-]
I was literally just wishing there was something like this, this is perfect! Do you do prompt caching?
reissbaker 24 hours ago [-]
Aw thanks! We don't currently, but from a cost perspective as a user it shouldn't matter much since it's all bundled into the same subscription (we rate-limit by requests, not by tokens — our request rate limits are set to "higher than the amount of messages per hour that Claude Code promises", haha). We might at some point just to save GPUs though!
logicprog 22 hours ago [-]
Yeah I wasn't worried so much about costs to me, as sustainability of your own prices — don't want to run into a "we're lowering quotas" situation like CC did :P
reissbaker 22 hours ago [-]
Lol fair! I think we're safe for now; our most popular model (and my personal favorite coding model) is GLM-4.5, which fits on a ~relatively small node compared to the rumored sizes of Anthropic's models. We can throw a lot of tokens at it before running into issues — it's kind of nice to launch without prompt caching, since it means if we're flying too close to the sun on tokens we still have some pretty large levers left to pull on the infra side before needing to do anything drastic with rate limits.
logicprog 21 hours ago [-]
> I think we're safe for now; our most popular model (and my personal favorite coding model) is GLM-4.5,
That's funny, that's also my favorite coding model as well!
> the rumored sizes of Anthropic's models
Yeah. I've long had a hypothesis that their models are, like, average sized for a SOTA model, but fully dense, like that old llama 3.1 405b model, and that's why their per token inference costs are insane compared to the competition.
> it's kind of nice to launch without prompt caching, since it means if we're flying too close to the sun on tokens we still have some pretty large levers left to pull on the infra side before needing to do anything drastic with rate limits.
That makes sense.
I'm poor as dirt, and my job actually forbids AI code in the main codebase, so I can't justify even a $20 per month prescription right now (especially when, for experimenting with agentic coding, qwen code is currently free (if shitty)) but when or if it becomes financially responsible, you will be at the very top of my list.
reissbaker 20 hours ago [-]
<3 thank you!
ykjs 19 hours ago [-]
Can this be provided as an API?
reissbaker 19 hours ago [-]
Yes! We have a standard OpenAI-compatible API, and we don't restrict subscriptions from using it (unlike Anthropic, where API keys are billed differently unless you're using Claude Code directly, or in a tool that wraps Claude Code).
paool 15 hours ago [-]
how would I point to your API to use in a Mastra ai agent?
reissbaker 15 hours ago [-]
I'm not deeply familiar with Mastra, but reading their docs, it looks like they use the Vercel AI SDK — which is great, since Vercel's AI SDK can work with any OpenAI-compatible API, including ours. All you need to do is set a custom API base URL; in our case, that's https://api.synthetic.new/v1
Then just plug in your Synthetic API key, and you should be able to use any supported model. For example, to use GLM-4.5, you'd pass the following model string: "hf:zai-org/GLM-4.5"
Your privacy policy isn't good for a privacy focused provider though. You shouldn't have the rights to use my personal information. The use of Google Tag Manager also not inspire confidence, especially in LLM pages where you might "accidentally" install a user monitoring script and the prompts get logged. I'd suggest looking at how Kagi do the marketing to privacy-conscious customers.
How are messages counted? For example, in Cursor, one request is 25 tool calls. Does 100 messages in a subscription here mean 100 tool calls or 100 requests each with 25 tool calls?
When it comes to privacy, there are also some questions. It says that requests can only be used for debugging purposes, but it later mentions a license for using the requests to improve the platform, which can mean that you can use it not only for debugging purposes.
For requests, it depends on the agent framework to a certain extent. We just count API requests. For frameworks that support parallel tool calls, assuming they're using the standard OpenAI parallel tool call API, the entire parallel batch only counts as one request — since it only generated a single API request, and we just count API requests. I don't know exactly how Cursor structures it but I'd be surprised if they were making 100 API requests per message — I assume they're using the normal parallel tool call API to send all tools in a single batch, which equates to only taking 1 request of your quota in the rate limit.
To run the TPS benchmark, just run:
All it does is ask the model to write a long story without making tool calls (although we do send the tool definitions over, to accurately benchmark differences in tool call serialization/parsing). It usually consumes a little over 1k tokens so it's fairly cheap to run against different usage-based APIs (and only consumes a single request for subscription APIs that rate limit by request).Edit: forgot to add — for Qwen3 everything should be running in FP8.
That's funny, that's also my favorite coding model as well!
> the rumored sizes of Anthropic's models
Yeah. I've long had a hypothesis that their models are, like, average sized for a SOTA model, but fully dense, like that old llama 3.1 405b model, and that's why their per token inference costs are insane compared to the competition.
> it's kind of nice to launch without prompt caching, since it means if we're flying too close to the sun on tokens we still have some pretty large levers left to pull on the infra side before needing to do anything drastic with rate limits.
That makes sense.
I'm poor as dirt, and my job actually forbids AI code in the main codebase, so I can't justify even a $20 per month prescription right now (especially when, for experimenting with agentic coding, qwen code is currently free (if shitty)) but when or if it becomes financially responsible, you will be at the very top of my list.
Then just plug in your Synthetic API key, and you should be able to use any supported model. For example, to use GLM-4.5, you'd pass the following model string: "hf:zai-org/GLM-4.5"
The AI SDK docs are here for using custom base URLs: https://ai-sdk.dev/docs/ai-sdk-core/provider-management
You can also join our Discord if you need help! https://synthetic.new/discord should redirect you to our Discord server :)